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		<title>By: Aurik</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really need to set up my old marking macro... I always get beset by the people who think that if you mark things you&#039;re &#039;wasting time omg lets go already!&#039;.  On my tank I&#039;m pretty brutal about talking to my healer and letting people die if they pull themselves or break cc early or nuke the wrong mob and thus I give them every opportunity not to be idiots by marking and telling which marks means what at the beginning of a run.

I very much agree that no marking, with a pug, will usually spell doom and gloom!

As a healer I am also noticing a trend for people not to bother with CC.  They seem to think that &#039;it&#039;s ok, the tank can handle it the new instances are ezmode&#039; and don&#039;t realise the healer in the back is having to blow cooldowns every fight just to keep up with the incoming damage as is, as you point out, the tank.

Chaos = bad.

/hug]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really need to set up my old marking macro&#8230; I always get beset by the people who think that if you mark things you&#8217;re &#8216;wasting time omg lets go already!&#8217;.  On my tank I&#8217;m pretty brutal about talking to my healer and letting people die if they pull themselves or break cc early or nuke the wrong mob and thus I give them every opportunity not to be idiots by marking and telling which marks means what at the beginning of a run.</p>
<p>I very much agree that no marking, with a pug, will usually spell doom and gloom!</p>
<p>As a healer I am also noticing a trend for people not to bother with CC.  They seem to think that &#8216;it&#8217;s ok, the tank can handle it the new instances are ezmode&#8217; and don&#8217;t realise the healer in the back is having to blow cooldowns every fight just to keep up with the incoming damage as is, as you point out, the tank.</p>
<p>Chaos = bad.</p>
<p>/hug</p>
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		<title>By: Tankette</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For most heroics I mark but mainly just so I have an easier time managing the mobs with tab targeting. It is pretty rare that a pull will be handled with single target dps.

Our mages are starting out doing about 1500 dps when they hit 80 and have just the gear they had while leveling. We&#039;ve had some rogues, one warlock and a DK that did poor dps but I think that was due to a player not knowing what to do as opposed to lacking gear or a class being bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For most heroics I mark but mainly just so I have an easier time managing the mobs with tab targeting. It is pretty rare that a pull will be handled with single target dps.</p>
<p>Our mages are starting out doing about 1500 dps when they hit 80 and have just the gear they had while leveling. We&#8217;ve had some rogues, one warlock and a DK that did poor dps but I think that was due to a player not knowing what to do as opposed to lacking gear or a class being bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Darraxus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Easy for a DPS to say that. All they are doing is Pew Pewing. They will pull aggro, then blame the tank or healer when they die.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy for a DPS to say that. All they are doing is Pew Pewing. They will pull aggro, then blame the tank or healer when they die.</p>
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		<title>By: Talldar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aye, no chaos allowed. I&#039;ve had some guys who would complain that I set marks for CC in general. And then there particularly was a mage who just wouldn&#039;t sheep at all. I just stopped between to trash groups and told him to either give me my sheep or go tank himself. That helped.

Other than that I really grew cold on DPS pulling aggro. If we&#039;re AoEing I&#039;ll make sure everyone stays save, but if someone doesn&#039;t have their action bars under control he will learn so by dying. Easy thing, as most heroic trash will two-shot unprepared non-platers.

Regarding dps I wouldn&#039;t blame the mages, but DPS in general: They tend to think that since the only hard requirement for heroics is to reach 80, there&#039;s nothing else to do for them. Do a gear check on pugs and don&#039;t mind leaving behind those in leveling greens, 65 blues or just mediocre 70 gear. As a tank I&#039;m geared to the max, socketed and enchanted and all that fancy humpty tumpty stuff. So I at least expect DPS to have something to come up with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye, no chaos allowed. I&#8217;ve had some guys who would complain that I set marks for CC in general. And then there particularly was a mage who just wouldn&#8217;t sheep at all. I just stopped between to trash groups and told him to either give me my sheep or go tank himself. That helped.</p>
<p>Other than that I really grew cold on DPS pulling aggro. If we&#8217;re AoEing I&#8217;ll make sure everyone stays save, but if someone doesn&#8217;t have their action bars under control he will learn so by dying. Easy thing, as most heroic trash will two-shot unprepared non-platers.</p>
<p>Regarding dps I wouldn&#8217;t blame the mages, but DPS in general: They tend to think that since the only hard requirement for heroics is to reach 80, there&#8217;s nothing else to do for them. Do a gear check on pugs and don&#8217;t mind leaving behind those in leveling greens, 65 blues or just mediocre 70 gear. As a tank I&#8217;m geared to the max, socketed and enchanted and all that fancy humpty tumpty stuff. So I at least expect DPS to have something to come up with.</p>
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